we want to make certain, especially dealing with this debt ceiling, we do it in a fiscally responsible manner. >> would you be willing given your point of view overall in borrowing money that if kansas pays in a dollar, gets $1 back so 12 cents of every dollar, assume for a moment that number is right, this is the tax foundation number, that you would give that back, kansas would get a whole lot less from the federal government right now, would you sign on to that? >> well, i don't agree with those numbers. we got a whole tax code that actually helps states like new york that have higher taxes because they can take that off their federal income taxes. that has to be part of that as well. but i think we need to do -- certainly helping those in need is probably something we should be doing but if you're not going to spend 80% of the dollars for two years, what's the rush? let's get to the direct needs right now and that's what i think's important. that's why i offered transparency amendment that said let's go see where this money is going. that went on there. i think that's important. fe